1
00:00:22,460 --> 00:00:19,870
[Music]

2
00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:22,470
hello everyone and welcome to the

3
00:00:26,690 --> 00:00:24,210
everything else show I'm Martin Willis

4
00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:26,700
your host I'm really really looking

5
00:00:33,380 --> 00:00:29,369
forward to our guest tonight Brad

6
00:00:36,020 --> 00:00:33,390
Steiger iconic author and we were just

7
00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:36,030
talking ahead of the show how it's taken

8
00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:38,460
two years to get to this point so I'm

9
00:00:42,020 --> 00:00:40,110
real excited that he's on and in the

10
00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:42,030
spirit of Halloween we're gonna be

11
00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:44,370
talking about his he has some recently

12
00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:47,930
released ebooks real nightmares I

13
00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:50,250
downloaded one for I think the first one

14
00:00:56,810 --> 00:00:52,050
all the way back from I think was 2011

15
00:01:00,279 --> 00:00:56,820
and really enjoy reading his work he has

16
00:01:03,290 --> 00:01:00,289
over 2000 articles more than 180 titles

17
00:01:07,700 --> 00:01:03,300
with inspirational and paranormal themes

18
00:01:11,150 --> 00:01:07,710
he also did some auto-buy he did some

19
00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:11,160
biographies of Greta Garbo Judy Garland

20
00:01:16,190 --> 00:01:13,410
and one he was really noted for in the

21
00:01:20,389 --> 00:01:16,200
beginning Rudolph Valentino which later

22
00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:20,399
became a film in 1977 I am so glad to

23
00:01:27,530 --> 00:01:23,330
have you on welcome to the show Brad oh

24
00:01:30,740 --> 00:01:27,540
my pleasure my pleasure Martin and as I

25
00:01:34,580 --> 00:01:30,750
said and we you just mentioned now two

26
00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:34,590
years but people with determination like

27
00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:37,680
us we eventually get it done right

28
00:01:42,590 --> 00:01:38,850
that's right yeah

29
00:01:44,749 --> 00:01:42,600
and thank you for staying in touch that

30
00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:44,759
was really that was very nice to you now

31
00:01:48,830 --> 00:01:45,930
I know you went through a move you've

32
00:01:51,530 --> 00:01:48,840
gone through a lot of things so it's I

33
00:01:54,170 --> 00:01:51,540
really am glad that you reached out

34
00:01:57,649 --> 00:01:54,180
again and here we are so in the spirit

35
00:01:59,330 --> 00:01:57,659
of Halloween let's talk about your your

36
00:02:02,480 --> 00:01:59,340
books real nightmares I think that's

37
00:02:04,069 --> 00:02:02,490
great that you're doing these ebooks you

38
00:02:05,630 --> 00:02:04,079
know a lot of people maybe in your

39
00:02:07,459 --> 00:02:05,640
generation would never even think to do

40
00:02:10,340 --> 00:02:07,469
that was that something that was

41
00:02:15,910 --> 00:02:10,350
suggested to you by your publisher or

42
00:02:19,729 --> 00:02:15,920
how did that come about yeah that was my

43
00:02:23,690 --> 00:02:19,739
publisher Rogers gen Anki who is a

44
00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:23,700
terrific guy to work with the editor

45
00:02:31,900 --> 00:02:27,570
Kevin Hyannis terrific and and this is

46
00:02:37,090 --> 00:02:31,910
kind of a surprise to me to be

47
00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:37,100
all of a sudden they said we're having a

48
00:02:44,830 --> 00:02:39,530
Christmas treat we've just put together

49
00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:44,840
for her book selections from other of

50
00:02:52,180 --> 00:02:48,290
your books and we think this is a great

51
00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:52,190
idea and I had done a few for them Oh

52
00:02:58,540 --> 00:02:56,360
must be almost four years ago and they

53
00:03:00,790 --> 00:02:58,550
and the two of them are I don't know

54
00:03:02,890 --> 00:03:00,800
maybe there was three or four him but

55
00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:02,900
they sat down and put this together so

56
00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:05,810
this is kind of a surprise I had looked

57
00:03:10,180 --> 00:03:07,850
through and see no what did they choose

58
00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:10,190
what today and you know I think they did

59
00:03:18,550 --> 00:03:14,570
a good job it is a good which was a

60
00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:18,560
sampler sampler too to see you know what

61
00:03:23,260 --> 00:03:21,530
what I'm all about in the range of the

62
00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:23,270
things and and they wanted to make it

63
00:03:28,210 --> 00:03:26,000
you know this basically the spooky stuff

64
00:03:31,090 --> 00:03:28,220
for Halloween and I think they did a

65
00:03:35,860 --> 00:03:31,100
great job on it so I kind of look it as

66
00:03:38,230 --> 00:03:35,870
a very nice tribute to put to do that

67
00:03:38,890 --> 00:03:38,240
kind of work without my even knowing

68
00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:38,900
about it

69
00:03:43,690 --> 00:03:42,410
Wow yeah there it is just a quick

70
00:03:46,630 --> 00:03:43,700
announcement I have to make M it to

71
00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:46,640
start start out with this pardon pardon

72
00:03:51,190 --> 00:03:49,970
me and that is in in the chat room in

73
00:03:53,410 --> 00:03:51,200
the chat room I'm not going to be

74
00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:53,420
involved in the chat room I want to

75
00:03:57,699 --> 00:03:56,209
concentrate talking to the guests toward

76
00:04:00,580 --> 00:03:57,709
the end of the show though I will

77
00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:00,590
announce to the chat room if they have

78
00:04:05,710 --> 00:04:03,410
any questions for me too for the guests

79
00:04:08,410 --> 00:04:05,720
to please go ahead and post them all so

80
00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:08,420
we can take calls later on if you'd like

81
00:04:14,350 --> 00:04:12,170
to call in a question and I will post

82
00:04:18,490 --> 00:04:14,360
that number in the chat room and also

83
00:04:21,039 --> 00:04:18,500
announce it as we go along so Brad let's

84
00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:21,049
talk about I know you started all the

85
00:04:26,170 --> 00:04:22,910
way back you your first article you

86
00:04:31,050 --> 00:04:26,180
wrote you told me you were a senior in

87
00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:31,060
college 1956 going way way back what

88
00:04:36,790 --> 00:04:34,910
sparked your interest in the interesting

89
00:04:40,659 --> 00:04:36,800
things you write about the paranormal

90
00:04:44,620 --> 00:04:40,669
and I see UFOs and aliens and you name

91
00:04:50,590 --> 00:04:44,630
it what inspired you to begin well I had

92
00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:50,600
yeah I had no choice I I grew up in a in

93
00:04:58,510 --> 00:04:54,490
a house that had been the former

94
00:05:00,310 --> 00:04:58,520
stagecoach stop and when I was very

95
00:05:02,860 --> 00:05:00,320
little I remembered you know the creek

96
00:05:05,650 --> 00:05:02,870
still running by and so forth which they

97
00:05:07,690 --> 00:05:05,660
have eventually tiled it but it was

98
00:05:10,090 --> 00:05:07,700
really you know a very picturesque place

99
00:05:13,450 --> 00:05:10,100
and you could just imagine and in the

100
00:05:16,150 --> 00:05:13,460
old-timers in town would tell me that's

101
00:05:18,850 --> 00:05:16,160
where the James boys stopped before they

102
00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:18,860
went up to Northfield told the

103
00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:20,810
Northfield raid and they had all kinds

104
00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:25,030
of stories but my sister and I who are

105
00:05:32,470 --> 00:05:30,050
both insomniac statistic experience we

106
00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:32,480
decided that there are a lot of

107
00:05:37,630 --> 00:05:34,960
passengers that must've missed the stage

108
00:05:42,390 --> 00:05:37,640
because they're still hanging around in

109
00:05:48,150 --> 00:05:42,400
the house and it was kind of a nightly

110
00:05:56,170 --> 00:05:52,660
cotillion so to speak where we'd be

111
00:05:58,450 --> 00:05:56,180
lying in bed and I was in one room and

112
00:06:04,570 --> 00:05:58,460
she was in a corner of my parents room

113
00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:04,580
and we would see a man and a woman or

114
00:06:11,980 --> 00:06:08,270
several men there pass through and it

115
00:06:16,570 --> 00:06:11,990
was fine it was fine Martin until they

116
00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:16,580
stopped and looked at that that was that

117
00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:19,610
was the scary part because you get used

118
00:06:23,770 --> 00:06:21,170
to it it's like watching a movie you

119
00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:23,780
know the go but when they stop turn

120
00:06:29,380 --> 00:06:25,850
around and stare at you then you say

121
00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:29,390
what's going on but I grew up then then

122
00:06:36,970 --> 00:06:32,930
this was without with the occasional

123
00:06:39,430 --> 00:06:36,980
fearful situation once I was alone home

124
00:06:42,370 --> 00:06:39,440
and whatever decided they were really

125
00:06:45,850 --> 00:06:42,380
going to give it to me and I was sitting

126
00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:45,860
up in my room reading the latest Western

127
00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:48,410
I was a big Western fanatic when I was a

128
00:06:55,730 --> 00:06:51,830
teenager and all of a sudden the door

129
00:06:58,510 --> 00:06:55,740
opened slam footsteps came upstairs

130
00:07:04,040 --> 00:06:58,520
furniture went flying across the room

131
00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:04,050
had my dog with me and and Queenie was

132
00:07:11,180 --> 00:07:07,740
just going crazy and she had she was a

133
00:07:13,460 --> 00:07:11,190
wild dog this is the year work dogs that

134
00:07:16,490 --> 00:07:13,470
terrible dogs is he that comes around

135
00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:16,500
like every 20 years I had wiped out and

136
00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:18,930
when you're a farmer you have to have a

137
00:07:25,250 --> 00:07:21,660
dog I mean it's more important than a

138
00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:25,260
hired man so we actually a trapper told

139
00:07:32,630 --> 00:07:28,110
us that he'd seen a wild dog with a

140
00:07:37,310 --> 00:07:32,640
puppy and we actually traced ran that

141
00:07:40,820 --> 00:07:37,320
bond foot and got the puppy and she of

142
00:07:44,060 --> 00:07:40,830
course at first was just fierce but then

143
00:07:46,670 --> 00:07:44,070
she became serious member of the family

144
00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:46,680
and she was going crazy you know she

145
00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:50,130
could see and I couldn't and in

146
00:07:56,750 --> 00:07:52,970
desperation you know I reached my by my

147
00:07:58,820 --> 00:07:56,760
22 Winchester and I said you know I will

148
00:08:03,440 --> 00:07:58,830
shoot if you don't stop and then I

149
00:08:06,550 --> 00:08:03,450
thought what am I going to shoot I can't

150
00:08:09,620 --> 00:08:06,560
see all I can see is the effect and

151
00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:09,630
eventually kind of like they had done

152
00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:11,490
enough and they were laughing and then

153
00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:14,310
they just left and those kind of

154
00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:17,130
situations were repeated to a lesser

155
00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:20,850
degree so I got used to that so when I

156
00:08:27,830 --> 00:08:24,960
grew up and began fascinated with these

157
00:08:30,890 --> 00:08:27,840
were trying to explain what did happen

158
00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:30,900
not everyone would accept it everyone

159
00:08:37,460 --> 00:08:33,710
you know they might think I was just a

160
00:08:40,460 --> 00:08:37,470
imaginative teenager so I resolved and

161
00:08:44,060 --> 00:08:40,470
began writing in the field and studying

162
00:08:46,340 --> 00:08:44,070
in the field and when I first went out

163
00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:46,350
when word got around that here is this

164
00:08:52,190 --> 00:08:50,160
guy writing about ghosts and and word

165
00:08:56,930 --> 00:08:52,200
spread well we have a ghost have him

166
00:09:01,040 --> 00:08:56,940
come check it out i I had no reluctance

167
00:09:03,590 --> 00:09:01,050
to do that because I was secure in the

168
00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:03,600
feeling that ghosts don't hurt you

169
00:09:09,769 --> 00:09:05,940
ghosts don't really respond they just

170
00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:09,779
scare scared the hell out of you but in

171
00:09:17,660 --> 00:09:13,649
this situation once then I smart-mouth

172
00:09:22,069 --> 00:09:17,670
to an entity that was trying to lock me

173
00:09:25,220 --> 00:09:22,079
in a closet and my my friends who were

174
00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:25,230
there my buddy who was with me always

175
00:09:31,309 --> 00:09:29,490
was a former Green Beret and so I said

176
00:09:34,610 --> 00:09:31,319
to him all right the blankety-blank

177
00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:34,620
thing wants that door closed close it

178
00:09:40,730 --> 00:09:38,220
and lock it then we went upstairs this

179
00:09:43,009 --> 00:09:40,740
is from a basement a basement with blood

180
00:09:46,989 --> 00:09:43,019
would flow from the walls from time to

181
00:09:49,910 --> 00:09:46,999
time and the occupants would see

182
00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:49,920
grotesque figures running around this

183
00:09:55,069 --> 00:09:51,930
was really a doozy

184
00:09:58,460 --> 00:09:55,079
but again I'm doing this confidently

185
00:10:00,889 --> 00:09:58,470
they can't hurt you well I guess I had

186
00:10:06,170 --> 00:10:00,899
really kicked it off because we were no

187
00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:06,180
sooner upstairs and bam the door ripped

188
00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:09,809
off the hinges didn't matter to it if it

189
00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:12,480
was locked in or not ripped off the

190
00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:15,240
hinges and then boom boom boom coming up

191
00:10:21,650 --> 00:10:17,850
the stairs like King Kong's coming up

192
00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:21,660
and then all five of us and there maybe

193
00:10:27,470 --> 00:10:24,569
six there were some reporters some

194
00:10:29,749 --> 00:10:27,480
newspapers who were long watching us

195
00:10:33,530 --> 00:10:29,759
investigate this particular house and

196
00:10:36,049 --> 00:10:33,540
had a bit of a reputation all of us were

197
00:10:40,939 --> 00:10:36,059
lifted in the air and then dropped oh my

198
00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:40,949
goodness then I realized I've got to do

199
00:10:46,819 --> 00:10:43,649
a little revision of my theory because

200
00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:46,829
my theory before Martin was that

201
00:10:55,490 --> 00:10:52,529
hauntings or residual images somehow

202
00:10:59,960 --> 00:10:55,500
impressed in their environment just as

203
00:11:02,780 --> 00:10:59,970
somehow light gets impressed on a camera

204
00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:02,790
film and you can see them like

205
00:11:07,489 --> 00:11:04,410
especially if they're of a certain

206
00:11:10,249 --> 00:11:07,499
sensitivity I suppose you can see them

207
00:11:12,439 --> 00:11:10,259
but you can't interact with them any

208
00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:12,449
more than you can interact with them

209
00:11:16,100 --> 00:11:14,490
that and then the objects on a

210
00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:16,110
television set you're sitting there

211
00:11:21,379 --> 00:11:18,980
watching and you can't say hey hey I

212
00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:21,389
disagree or you can't reach out and

213
00:11:26,660 --> 00:11:23,250
shake hands or whatever you

214
00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:26,670
they watch and to me in the vast

215
00:11:32,750 --> 00:11:29,040
majority of cases that we had

216
00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:32,760
investigated until that time they were

217
00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:34,890
residual hauntings there were somehow

218
00:11:42,260 --> 00:11:38,510
impressed an environment by someone's

219
00:11:44,990 --> 00:11:42,270
death by someone's terrible illness and

220
00:11:50,860 --> 00:11:45,000
eventual death or something that left

221
00:11:53,660 --> 00:11:50,870
these vibrations these on the entire

222
00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:53,670
environment of the house or particularly

223
00:12:00,440 --> 00:11:57,210
perhaps a room were the death took place

224
00:12:01,750 --> 00:12:00,450
or maybe it was a murder sometimes it

225
00:12:06,590 --> 00:12:01,760
was a murder

226
00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:06,600
but this then was different obviously

227
00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:09,690
there was an intelligence there was an

228
00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:11,970
intelligence that could be offended that

229
00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:15,690
could be angered and that could come

230
00:12:22,690 --> 00:12:20,130
after if he didn't watch out Wow that's

231
00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:22,700
an amazing story where did you grow up I

232
00:12:29,930 --> 00:12:26,610
grew up and not far from where we're

233
00:12:31,730 --> 00:12:29,940
living now in Iowa and North

234
00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:31,740
northwestern Iowa

235
00:12:40,430 --> 00:12:37,100
and it was the I I wouldn't trade

236
00:12:43,130 --> 00:12:40,440
growing up on a farm for any I've

237
00:12:45,980 --> 00:12:43,140
traveled the world now as they say and

238
00:12:49,730 --> 00:12:45,990
met people from all walks of life and

239
00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:49,740
and I I cherish the kind of especially

240
00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:52,740
the interaction with the animals both

241
00:12:58,660 --> 00:12:56,370
wild and domesticated and and and again

242
00:13:04,010 --> 00:12:58,670
growing up in this particular

243
00:13:08,540 --> 00:13:04,020
environment now it was also fed of

244
00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:08,550
course and in a new book that I hope we

245
00:13:14,329 --> 00:13:12,000
were talking about next Halloween Martin

246
00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:14,339
that we don't have to wait two years to

247
00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:18,450
get together but on ghosts and in the

248
00:13:24,290 --> 00:13:21,510
theme of this book on ghost

249
00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:24,300
there will be out in July but gets the

250
00:13:29,260 --> 00:13:28,050
big push in Halloween you know is what

251
00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:29,270
our ghosts

252
00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:33,630
really when are they really the survival

253
00:13:39,140 --> 00:13:37,260
question has to enter in or maybe not

254
00:13:41,990 --> 00:13:39,150
some people even it survived are they

255
00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:42,000
here at you meaner yeah yeah round right

256
00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:42,890
I'm sorry

257
00:13:50,390 --> 00:13:45,720
you get to use shorthand you know in

258
00:13:53,270 --> 00:13:50,400
here yeah in a particular field so the

259
00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:53,280
survival of the spirit seems to be the

260
00:13:59,920 --> 00:13:56,130
basic but maybe that's because most of

261
00:14:02,750 --> 00:13:59,930
us come from an Abrahamic religion and

262
00:14:06,890 --> 00:14:02,760
we have been taught about the spirits

263
00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:06,900
and the ghost it within us for years but

264
00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:09,870
I think that is part of it I've had a

265
00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:11,490
near-death experience

266
00:14:21,460 --> 00:14:14,070
so I've seen life from both sides now

267
00:14:24,940 --> 00:14:21,470
and I recognize that this are are these

268
00:14:29,390 --> 00:14:24,950
ghosts as we want to believe our

269
00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:29,400
surviving relatives and dear ones or do

270
00:14:34,850 --> 00:14:32,790
they assume the guise of our relatives

271
00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:34,860
in dear ones hmm

272
00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:38,610
are they multi-dimensional beings that

273
00:14:44,090 --> 00:14:41,610
are studying us are examining us there's

274
00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:44,100
just the endless number when you really

275
00:14:49,510 --> 00:14:46,650
stop to think about it it's not a simple

276
00:14:53,060 --> 00:14:49,520
and then when you have a vast variety of

277
00:14:56,030 --> 00:14:53,070
experiences which I hope the book will

278
00:14:59,690 --> 00:14:56,040
satisfy people in that regard you see

279
00:15:01,490 --> 00:14:59,700
that maybe there isn't a standard that

280
00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:01,500
would fit every one of those encounters

281
00:15:08,210 --> 00:15:06,000
with a ghost so that's where I am now

282
00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:08,220
and it's kind of where I am with with

283
00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:10,530
UFOs now I know you're particularly

284
00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:14,010
interested in UFOs and you said you

285
00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:17,070
thought I had touched on it from time to

286
00:15:26,510 --> 00:15:19,530
time but I think at last count I've

287
00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:26,520
written 26 books so Kevin Randall I

288
00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:29,610
always say now who say well Brad wrote

289
00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:32,790
more than I did and then no I think

290
00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:35,310
Kevin wrote more than I did and now

291
00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:37,680
we've got Nick Redfern you know coming

292
00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:39,660
up and we think he's trying to catch up

293
00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:42,360
to us yes Nick says no no no I'm not

294
00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:44,490
trying to do that yeah Nick Nick is

295
00:15:51,030 --> 00:15:49,130
prolific he really is he writes a lot

296
00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:51,040
Wow interest

297
00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:54,130
yeah one thing about the ghosts and I

298
00:15:58,319 --> 00:15:56,560
know I've never told this story before

299
00:16:03,329 --> 00:15:58,329
because this happened to a friend of

300
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,339
mine and this this makes me think of a

301
00:16:07,290 --> 00:16:05,680
possible residual now I do have a guest

302
00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:07,300
coming up this Wednesday who thinks

303
00:16:12,199 --> 00:16:08,800
there's a theory of everything and like

304
00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:12,209
you said possibly like interdimensional

305
00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:15,930
slipping or something but the residual

306
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:18,610
story is what I want to talk about right

307
00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:21,279
now and that is a friend of mine was

308
00:16:28,139 --> 00:16:24,360
growing up in upper state New York and

309
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:28,149
they moved into this old house and his

310
00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:30,160
brother has two brothers and himself

311
00:16:37,170 --> 00:16:33,040
were sharing a bedroom well it was it

312
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:37,180
was late fall getting cold and they woke

313
00:16:41,790 --> 00:16:38,560
up in the middle of the night to the

314
00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:41,800
window being wide open and one one

315
00:16:45,449 --> 00:16:43,300
brother blaming the other and all that

316
00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:45,459
so put the window down and kept

317
00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:49,660
happening over and over so finally my

318
00:16:55,530 --> 00:16:53,110
friend took a hammer and a nail and just

319
00:16:57,780 --> 00:16:55,540
nailed the window every which way shot

320
00:16:59,879 --> 00:16:57,790
he said there okay you guys go ahead and

321
00:17:01,860 --> 00:16:59,889
lift it now well it got up in the

322
00:17:05,819 --> 00:17:01,870
morning and all the nails were backed

323
00:17:07,409 --> 00:17:05,829
out in the window was up so uh they

324
00:17:09,149 --> 00:17:07,419
talked to some neighbors and a little

325
00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:09,159
boy died in that room of smoke

326
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:12,730
inhalation when the in the house oh so

327
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:15,280
that you know that's one situation that

328
00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:18,010
is pretty spooky and really makes you

329
00:17:29,419 --> 00:17:24,130
wonder now those cases that when you

330
00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:29,429
receive them from quote-unquote ordinary

331
00:17:36,030 --> 00:17:32,350
unpretentious people yes who may not

332
00:17:39,780 --> 00:17:36,040
have told anyone except maybe a few

333
00:17:42,149 --> 00:17:39,790
family members until they realize you

334
00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:42,159
are interested in the subject and you

335
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:44,830
won't laugh at them and then you hear

336
00:17:51,620 --> 00:17:48,640
some astonishing stories and some you

337
00:17:54,690 --> 00:17:51,630
know I might sit back and say well I

338
00:17:57,169 --> 00:17:54,700
don't say it out loud to them but I'm

339
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:57,179
saying I think it was probably a mistake

340
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:00,880
of some natural phenomena or whatever

341
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:03,520
but then others like the story you're

342
00:18:06,990 --> 00:18:04,480
telling

343
00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:07,000
I mean there just isn't anything that

344
00:18:13,710 --> 00:18:11,410
comes around and flips windows that have

345
00:18:16,590 --> 00:18:13,720
been nailed down that would take a

346
00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:16,600
tremendous for you absolutely yeah

347
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:18,820
yeah and this is a no-nonsense friend

348
00:18:24,510 --> 00:18:21,850
he's an engineer you know I'm he's just

349
00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:24,520
I mean he it does have a sense of humor

350
00:18:28,620 --> 00:18:26,260
but he wasn't he was very serious about

351
00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:28,630
this and it scared the heck out of him I

352
00:18:34,289 --> 00:18:32,590
have an email that came in when someone

353
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:34,299
saw that you were going to be I sent out

354
00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:37,210
a mailing a newsletter saying that you

355
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:38,590
were gonna be on tonight night can I

356
00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:41,919
read you this email it's certainly it's

357
00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:45,190
again in the spirit of Halloween it's a

358
00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:47,710
pretty scary one I definitely want to

359
00:18:52,830 --> 00:18:50,200
hear Brad's Tigers description of real

360
00:18:56,340 --> 00:18:52,840
nightmares because many years ago a

361
00:18:58,260 --> 00:18:56,350
group of six to eight of us he forgets

362
00:18:59,789 --> 00:18:58,270
the exact number encountered a huge very

363
00:19:03,360 --> 00:18:59,799
frightening certainly paranormal

364
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:03,370
something that approached us and when we

365
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:05,770
were in a very real um remote location

366
00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:09,760
the thing we all saw was not human

367
00:19:15,630 --> 00:19:13,630
underlined it wasn't the shape it wasn't

368
00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:15,640
shaped like us at all it had no legs

369
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:18,190
that they could see but a torso

370
00:19:22,770 --> 00:19:20,530
shoulders and a terrifying very

371
00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:22,780
unfriendly looking head overall it was

372
00:19:29,610 --> 00:19:26,590
maybe 30 feet tall or taller oh goodness

373
00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:29,620
it approached us human walking pace

374
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:32,950
maybe somewhat faster it seemed

375
00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:36,640
partially self-luminous of course we

376
00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:39,130
fled from the thing but never dare to

377
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:41,500
turn our backs on it we just fled

378
00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:44,530
walking walk running backward as fast as

379
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:47,110
possible stumbling occasionally until we

380
00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:48,610
reached our cars and get the hell out of

381
00:19:53,010 --> 00:19:49,750
there

382
00:19:56,460 --> 00:19:53,020
mass hallucination he says in a question

383
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,470
mark I hope that's what it was but we

384
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,480
knew nothing that we could have induced

385
00:20:02,850 --> 00:20:00,880
such a totally unexpected unknown

386
00:20:05,549 --> 00:20:02,860
perception in the whole group

387
00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:05,559
simultaneously none of us had been

388
00:20:10,830 --> 00:20:08,350
drinking as a matter of fact we were all

389
00:20:14,730 --> 00:20:10,840
non drinkers and not one of us would

390
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:14,740
touch marijuana or LSD and again he

391
00:20:18,220 --> 00:20:15,730
writes I hope it was a mass

392
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:18,230
hallucination it's hard to conceive

393
00:20:22,930 --> 00:20:20,330
anything that could have caused us all

394
00:20:24,940 --> 00:20:22,940
to hallucinate simultaneously we have

395
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:24,950
not been thinking about monsters I don't

396
00:20:28,570 --> 00:20:27,290
wanna call any sound from the thing but

397
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,580
maybe we were just too freaked out to

398
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:30,559
notice what do you think of that story

399
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:33,650
isn't it great that's a great story

400
00:20:41,890 --> 00:20:37,490
now I've I have heard similar

401
00:20:42,490 --> 00:20:41,900
descriptions but 32 Paul not none that

402
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:42,500
large

403
00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:46,400
I've heard some that were either human

404
00:20:56,260 --> 00:20:52,190
size or III call them like walking jelly

405
00:20:59,760 --> 00:20:56,270
bag they seemed almost to be gelatinous

406
00:21:03,909 --> 00:20:59,770
in makeup the way people describe them

407
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:03,919
now I again he answered questions I was

408
00:21:09,310 --> 00:21:06,650
going to ask you know how or you have to

409
00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:09,320
ask them you know were you drinking what

410
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:12,260
are you using wieder or whatever and

411
00:21:18,430 --> 00:21:14,510
here it sounds like you know a bunch of

412
00:21:21,610 --> 00:21:18,440
clean livers and I would be interested

413
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:21,620
in what they had been talking about hmm

414
00:21:30,850 --> 00:21:26,690
good point yeah yeah what had and what

415
00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:30,860
had brought that to manifest but these

416
00:21:36,370 --> 00:21:33,830
kind of stories you know they're when

417
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,380
you hear them from someone left is this

418
00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:39,440
it sounds like a very down-to-earth a

419
00:21:48,010 --> 00:21:42,950
sensible person you have to wonder you

420
00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:48,020
know is this what summoned this what now

421
00:21:58,090 --> 00:21:52,150
it didn't seem I he didn't mention that

422
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,100
it made any direct move to harm them and

423
00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:01,760
it seems not even is this right Martin

424
00:22:06,430 --> 00:22:04,040
that it didn't even have appendages like

425
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,440
arms and legs yeah I didn't he didn't

426
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:08,480
notice them I think that's what he says

427
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:12,880
yeah so yeah so again it's the jelly bag

428
00:22:23,140 --> 00:22:15,890
story that I get every once in a while

429
00:22:28,510 --> 00:22:23,150
and I remember a very interesting story

430
00:22:30,790 --> 00:22:28,520
of again I kind of Scandinavia

431
00:22:34,090 --> 00:22:30,800
background Scandinavia in America

432
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:34,100
and that came to me from from the old

433
00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:39,440
country about two young men I think it's

434
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:42,980
I think it was who were attacked by

435
00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:48,320
these flying no again they weren't

436
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:52,070
flying they were really walking they

437
00:23:01,240 --> 00:22:57,410
were just moving and they were jelly

438
00:23:02,890 --> 00:23:01,250
bags and that's their only description

439
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:02,900
they could say because it looked like

440
00:23:09,250 --> 00:23:07,970
just some gelatinous things that began

441
00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:09,260
to surround them

442
00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:14,140
now they had absolute fear because you

443
00:23:22,420 --> 00:23:18,440
know I've always felt in terms of horror

444
00:23:27,790 --> 00:23:22,430
movies now I'm much I get much spookier

445
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:27,800
and rivers from Dracula than I do King

446
00:23:35,710 --> 00:23:28,400
Kong

447
00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:35,720
take him on I couldn't wrestle him down

448
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:40,190
but Dracula you know if I was prepared

449
00:23:46,780 --> 00:23:42,410
and I had my crucifix

450
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:46,790
I mean if it's more our size the fear

451
00:23:52,330 --> 00:23:50,720
potion seems to be more intense that

452
00:23:56,770 --> 00:23:52,340
just really could hurt us when you look

453
00:23:59,670 --> 00:23:56,780
at that just say oh boy now I feel how a

454
00:24:03,480 --> 00:23:59,680
mouse feels when a big cat just saw him

455
00:24:07,780 --> 00:24:03,490
so this is a most remarkable story

456
00:24:11,530 --> 00:24:07,790
because of the size I've never heard of

457
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:11,540
one there say usually they are let's say

458
00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:14,450
adult male size you know no more than

459
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:19,150
maybe six or little over six feet and

460
00:24:26,350 --> 00:24:22,970
approaching people but my goodness if

461
00:24:28,810 --> 00:24:26,360
they jelly bags have grown that big I

462
00:24:32,110 --> 00:24:28,820
can see why people would turn and run

463
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:32,120
and there yeah he actually says when it

464
00:24:37,540 --> 00:24:34,210
happened it was quite a few decades ago

465
00:24:41,290 --> 00:24:37,550
so years ago really yeah really

466
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:41,300
mm-hmm yeah yeah really really

467
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,690
interesting you know I I keep reflecting

468
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:46,400
you said about your house growing up

469
00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:50,720
that is did you know today someone would

470
00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:52,340
have one of those you know Ghost Hunters

471
00:24:58,420 --> 00:24:56,150
there in five minutes do you yeah do you

472
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,430
ever keep in touch with the current

473
00:25:08,370 --> 00:25:00,320
owners to see if things are still going

474
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:08,380
on there that's interesting I well okay

475
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:11,510
sometimes it's best if you tell the

476
00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:15,260
complete story after some bright person

477
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:19,340
like you asks the proper question the

478
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:23,210
house was torn down when I was a senior

479
00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:25,210
in high school

480
00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:29,750
so I got to live in it for only a few

481
00:25:40,620 --> 00:25:33,830
months before I went to college but much

482
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:40,630
of the lumber was used I mean you know

483
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:44,710
Scandinavians are very frugal people

484
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:49,910
much much faster the lumber was used in

485
00:26:01,120 --> 00:25:55,130
building the new house hmm so it seems

486
00:26:05,470 --> 00:26:01,130
whatever spiritual vibration existed in

487
00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:05,480
the timber that was made to build the

488
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:12,430
first place was not blunted at all

489
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:16,130
because it wasn't long and then our

490
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:18,290
experience and my sister experience them

491
00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:23,600
too we'd be home and we would hear the

492
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:28,430
door open and close and our parents

493
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:32,480
would come home and then we would you

494
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:35,090
know go about if we're watching TV or if

495
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:36,770
we were up in our rooms reading or

496
00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:41,570
whatever and we'd hear footsteps we

497
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:43,150
would hear doors opening closing

498
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:46,010
coverages perhaps they're getting a

499
00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:47,930
little you know glass of milk before

500
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:50,660
they went to bed and then and then we

501
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:53,390
had a parakeet that would you know shout

502
00:26:57,570 --> 00:26:56,090
out whenever he came home hello hello no

503
00:27:00,419 --> 00:26:57,580
the pair too

504
00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:00,429
grow and everything so you know mom and

505
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:03,700
dad at home then we would look out we

506
00:27:08,909 --> 00:27:06,610
have very long lane as I said it what

507
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:08,919
had been the state's good stuff very

508
00:27:15,090 --> 00:27:11,049
long lane and we would see headlights

509
00:27:20,609 --> 00:27:15,100
coming down the lane and then within a

510
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:20,619
few moments our real parents came into

511
00:27:25,889 --> 00:27:22,049
the house

512
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:25,899
hey Everest a pardon me go ahead yeah no

513
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:31,090
no so again if this means anything I get

514
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:34,529
some research and there is the

515
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:38,159
Scandinavian tradition of the bardo ger

516
00:27:47,549 --> 00:27:44,169
which is the sense of they already seen

517
00:27:50,779 --> 00:27:47,559
or other they already heard so in other

518
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:50,789
words this is familiar to with people

519
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:55,919
who hear the member of their family

520
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:00,399
coming home before or entering in the

521
00:28:08,669 --> 00:28:04,210
house long before the person actually

522
00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:08,679
arrives Wow or that brings up all kinds

523
00:28:16,979 --> 00:28:11,980
of questions doesn't it it does like

524
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:16,989
time and everything else yeah well well

525
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:20,710
it does because obviously on one level

526
00:28:29,789 --> 00:28:25,929
of consciousness even if it were an

527
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:29,799
unexpected visit from a dear one that

528
00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:33,450
dear one still has a place in your

529
00:28:42,299 --> 00:28:38,230
unconscious you are still on one level

530
00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:42,309
of consciousness always aware of that

531
00:28:51,509 --> 00:28:46,840
being and that person traveling to your

532
00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:51,519
house is cannot help the think of when

533
00:29:00,810 --> 00:28:55,230
he or she will arise what he or she was

534
00:29:04,369 --> 00:29:00,820
talking about with you etc etc so if our

535
00:29:09,509 --> 00:29:04,379
dog er I found out as

536
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:09,519
there's quite a place in the in the

537
00:29:16,379 --> 00:29:13,690
folklore or in the legends of you know

538
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:16,389
the Scandinavian people that there was

539
00:29:25,649 --> 00:29:20,700
one story I can't think of his name but

540
00:29:30,779 --> 00:29:25,659
he was Scandinavian American living in

541
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,789
America and he wanted to visit the old

542
00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:33,279
country and as many people do you know

543
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:35,830
you go back and see your roots and so

544
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:39,279
forth so he walked into this hotel and

545
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,529
right away everyone greets him by name

546
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:47,440
now he's never been in there before

547
00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:50,799
and he says you know what you know and

548
00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:53,590
they say and they say things like ah

549
00:29:58,799 --> 00:29:56,200
you're back for your summer the early

550
00:30:01,979 --> 00:29:58,809
summer visit how nice to see you again

551
00:30:05,099 --> 00:30:01,989
and people all over the hotel and in the

552
00:30:07,259 --> 00:30:05,109
village would come up and say oh how

553
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:07,269
nice to see you again so glad you could

554
00:30:14,099 --> 00:30:10,450
make it again summer and he found out

555
00:30:18,239 --> 00:30:14,109
that on one level of being he had been

556
00:30:20,729 --> 00:30:18,249
visiting for our guests according to the

557
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:20,739
the people of the village for at least

558
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:23,679
five or six years he had appeared in the

559
00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:28,090
hotel rented a room been walking around

560
00:30:36,299 --> 00:30:32,549
now again this stretches us to think

561
00:30:38,489 --> 00:30:36,309
what are the limits of our unconscious

562
00:30:41,609 --> 00:30:38,499
what are the limits of what we can

563
00:30:45,389 --> 00:30:41,619
project and again what are our limits

564
00:30:47,639 --> 00:30:45,399
period now what did he try to look up to

565
00:30:49,349 --> 00:30:47,649
see if he could see like an old register

566
00:30:54,739 --> 00:30:49,359
or anything like that do you happen to

567
00:30:58,049 --> 00:30:54,749
know that yeah that was that's probably

568
00:31:04,769 --> 00:30:58,059
yeah he had register different every

569
00:31:10,109 --> 00:31:04,779
year no no I'm not in here again

570
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,119
I'm in you have to go by just as the

571
00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:13,200
letter to do read you have to go by the

572
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:15,040
individual

573
00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:20,140
with whom unique who in that case you

574
00:31:25,670 --> 00:31:22,270
know we both agreed that person who sent

575
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:25,680
in a letter sounded like a very

576
00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:30,640
well-balanced and a very moderate

577
00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:33,040
individual who wouldn't over indulge in

578
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:35,590
anything and so forth so it was the same

579
00:31:41,670 --> 00:31:38,010
thing with with this gentleman mm-hmm

580
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:41,680
his reputation you know again but it

581
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:44,170
makes it's one of those things that you

582
00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:45,910
know would make a good Twilight Zone

583
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:51,430
story oh I love that yeah yeah yeah that

584
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:56,010
was a big disappointment of mine because

585
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:00,120
Rod Serling and I were were going on a

586
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:04,360
dual lecture tour I would he would talk

587
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:07,090
about because he didn't he didn't

588
00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:09,640
believe in any of this really he just

589
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:11,980
no he just thought if they'd good

590
00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:15,370
stories but he was a total skeptic how

591
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:18,160
about that so he he would present the

592
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:20,670
story and then I present the

593
00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:23,950
quote-unquote you know the the realness

594
00:32:29,910 --> 00:32:27,100
of what goes on with a haunting or some

595
00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:29,920
of his stories and you know that was

596
00:32:41,070 --> 00:32:34,180
being arranged and then he passed away

597
00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:41,080
so I know so yeah yeah Wow Wow that's

598
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:44,230
something else so your books that you

599
00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:46,810
have you have for recently released

600
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:50,680
right and Jake right yeah right but

601
00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:53,890
they're they're on Kindle only you can't

602
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:55,900
buy them in the bookstore yeah I

603
00:33:00,480 --> 00:32:58,450
actually like that and it's instant

604
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:00,490
quick and you know you can get right to

605
00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:04,690
it it's easy to use the Kindle so I

606
00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:06,340
started out again when of you're like I

607
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:08,380
said your first book today but what are

608
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:11,260
the the the subtitles I know they're all

609
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:14,050
called real nightmares what are or real

610
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:17,440
nightmares or nightmare nightmares what

611
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:22,960
are the now it's at just volume 1 volume

612
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:25,530
2 etc is that how that goes

613
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:28,809
well actually valium on goes all the way

614
00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:31,720
back you know we're up to 14 so I don't

615
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:34,840
know how long this will continue sherry

616
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:37,210
and I had a role in selecting the first

617
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:39,490
ones but this was you know happy

618
00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:45,730
Halloween Brad surprise surprise yeah so

619
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:48,100
one of the stories you wrote you wrote

620
00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:51,059
about harp which i think is interesting

621
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,230
you know and that what attractive yeah

622
00:33:59,369 --> 00:33:57,519
what did you get I didn't get a chance

623
00:34:06,779 --> 00:33:59,379
to read through that but what did you

624
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:06,789
get out of of researching that well it

625
00:34:14,490 --> 00:34:09,010
was very interesting because some of it

626
00:34:16,619 --> 00:34:14,500
it was is obtainable that they make no

627
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,629
secret of what pardon me and then

628
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:18,159
probably tell we should probably tell

629
00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:21,510
the listeners what that is to begin with

630
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:23,800
yeah well hidden away in the north

631
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:30,690
country is this what should we say arm

632
00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:34,000
of our I don't want to say it that way

633
00:34:41,399 --> 00:34:38,020
but an experimental group that's doing

634
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:41,409
things with the weather that frightened

635
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:51,089
a lot of us because the the obvious jump

636
00:35:01,620 --> 00:34:56,550
is to be able to create tornados

637
00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:01,630
blizzards hurricanes as will now they

638
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:05,470
claim that they're not doing that and

639
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:07,390
they wouldn't do that

640
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:11,730
but they are learning to control weather

641
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:17,500
well didn't you say if you can make it

642
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:21,460
do good things you could also make it do

643
00:35:30,089 --> 00:35:26,010
bad things and that's what is the rub so

644
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:30,099
we with our conspiracy book where that

645
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:36,700
is taken we're very proud of that

646
00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:39,369
because even after a second edition so

647
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:42,820
far the dis keeps selling in selling

648
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:47,940
we had an editor who would not allow us

649
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:53,350
the tiniest bit of speculation hmm just

650
00:35:59,940 --> 00:35:57,490
the facts just what can you know excuse

651
00:36:04,500 --> 00:35:59,950
me what do you know and what can you

652
00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:04,510
prove that someone said and it was very

653
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:06,760
difficult working on that because you

654
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:11,530
know look at how often ways

655
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:15,310
philosophized or it's theorized tonight

656
00:36:19,830 --> 00:36:17,770
right we think of you know what this

657
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:19,840
could be and what that could be but was

658
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:22,990
this historically it was just the facts

659
00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:26,230
man and and we're very proud of that now

660
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:29,800
because you know there is nothing wild

661
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:32,650
eyed and bushy tail about the book you

662
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:34,660
know this is just and I think that's why

663
00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:37,690
people enjoy it so much and and use it

664
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:41,500
as a reference but with HAARP that's one

665
00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:44,700
of those situations you know that I see

666
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:47,950
well you can imagine the email I get

667
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:51,040
every day from literally all over the

668
00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:54,640
world and of course their ever everyone

669
00:37:01,530 --> 00:36:57,790
has theories which is great I love that

670
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:01,540
I would be extremely disappointed in my

671
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:04,480
fellow species if everyone's that around

672
00:37:13,470 --> 00:37:08,170
and just listened but the something like

673
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:13,480
HAARP I think should have a more

674
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:17,770
positive if you will public relations

675
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:20,910
arm because this is something that

676
00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:24,880
really does strike fear into the hearts

677
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:27,580
of men and women you know that because

678
00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:30,250
look look at this year I mean could we

679
00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:36,220
could we imagine could we imagine a more

680
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:39,460
destructive year and then we still have

681
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:42,670
people who don't believe in climate

682
00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:46,990
change right and say these things are

683
00:37:52,650 --> 00:37:49,420
just happening because no the world

684
00:37:55,269 --> 00:37:52,660
isn't getting warmer because I went out

685
00:37:59,259 --> 00:37:55,279
today and it was pretty chilly well

686
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,269
you have to look at the at the charts in

687
00:38:08,409 --> 00:38:02,079
the graphs for a lot of different places

688
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:08,419
so many of what's going on now are just

689
00:38:17,469 --> 00:38:13,130
game for the type of conspiracies that

690
00:38:21,699 --> 00:38:17,479
cause serious minded people to scoff and

691
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:21,709
laugh that's at conspiracies because it

692
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:23,390
is all that sphere and that's

693
00:38:31,479 --> 00:38:29,359
fear-mongering and so far so what can I

694
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:31,489
say beyond that because there's there's

695
00:38:38,109 --> 00:38:33,529
not a great we put what you know we

696
00:38:41,859 --> 00:38:38,119
could and in their various declarations

697
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:41,869
and acclamation of what they intended to

698
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:46,130
do and what they planned to do with

699
00:38:52,329 --> 00:38:49,249
their work and of course from their

700
00:38:54,819 --> 00:38:52,339
perspective it's all very benevolent and

701
00:38:57,759 --> 00:38:54,829
and we should relax because they're

702
00:39:01,719 --> 00:38:57,769
watching the skies for us now on the

703
00:39:04,569 --> 00:39:01,729
other hand I and in how would I know

704
00:39:08,469 --> 00:39:04,579
this I mean I'm not all saying but I

705
00:39:12,189 --> 00:39:08,479
really felt I say no evidence of any

706
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:12,199
intervention and the horror of the

707
00:39:17,859 --> 00:39:14,569
weather that we've had in the last few

708
00:39:21,069 --> 00:39:17,869
weeks where was an inch

709
00:39:24,219 --> 00:39:21,079
yeah where was interaction there where

710
00:39:28,749 --> 00:39:24,229
was the screeching halt if they had this

711
00:39:31,989 --> 00:39:28,759
power they surely could not stand by and

712
00:39:34,749 --> 00:39:31,999
let various sections of the United

713
00:39:39,429 --> 00:39:34,759
States being destroyed and people being

714
00:39:41,649 --> 00:39:39,439
killed so it's like then so many of

715
00:39:48,699 --> 00:39:41,659
these things are overstatement and then

716
00:39:51,789 --> 00:39:48,709
they become some paranoid boogeyman and

717
00:39:54,370 --> 00:39:51,799
rightfully so because we need to know we

718
00:39:56,259 --> 00:39:54,380
need to have as much information about

719
00:40:01,899 --> 00:39:56,269
what's going on with these experiments

720
00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:01,909
as possible I mean if we I think we're

721
00:40:08,859 --> 00:40:06,499
all tired of learning about experiments

722
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:08,869
and we have several of them there they

723
00:40:17,709 --> 00:40:13,660
the various raids that were done on

724
00:40:20,979 --> 00:40:17,719
major American cities you know just to

725
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:20,989
test things and to to see how people

726
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:25,430
would react well it isn't fair I mean we

727
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:28,609
need to know or be least warned we're

728
00:40:35,849 --> 00:40:31,249
going to do such-and-such and stay

729
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:35,859
inside or look you know whatever so

730
00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:38,569
conspiracies and secret societies where

731
00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:42,380
we don't deal with the spooky ones that

732
00:40:49,870 --> 00:40:46,279
you read about and that even though I

733
00:40:52,809 --> 00:40:49,880
have the one chapter of course you you

734
00:41:01,749 --> 00:40:52,819
like the UFO research but you will

735
00:41:07,709 --> 00:41:01,759
remember I am certain that when the or

736
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:07,719
what shall we say there the evolution of

737
00:41:15,969 --> 00:41:12,410
the alien I'm sure Martin you've noticed

738
00:41:19,809 --> 00:41:15,979
how how it the evolution if we want to

739
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:19,819
choose to call it that first the little

740
00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:23,359
green man now not necessarily green but

741
00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:25,640
that became the expression to kind of

742
00:41:31,269 --> 00:41:28,430
summarize or deal with us in in kind of

743
00:41:36,329 --> 00:41:31,279
a semi humorous way because we were

744
00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:36,339
frightened now I was 11 years old when

745
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:42,200
the big sighting when we say the UFO age

746
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:49,130
began for us 47 and yeah in 47 and my

747
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,680
reaction then was wow they're here

748
00:41:59,440 --> 00:41:55,599
they're here

749
00:42:02,200 --> 00:41:59,450
and that was I think the way so many

750
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,210
young people I mean we had read Buckwald

751
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:04,400
Rogers and we'd seen all the science

752
00:42:11,319 --> 00:42:07,609
fiction stories those of us who do

753
00:42:14,049 --> 00:42:11,329
reader did read and and we were excited

754
00:42:15,969 --> 00:42:14,059
and then of course we stretched on and

755
00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:15,979
then the landing we got to see what do

756
00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:17,150
they look like what does it look like

757
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:22,820
and it was decided by the great universe

758
00:42:31,150 --> 00:42:27,670
so mine or by some very clever

759
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:31,160
manipulators that they would be smaller

760
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:35,480
than we are and so they were portrayed

761
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:40,070
as little people but not quite people

762
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:44,030
big eyes and round skulls big skulls

763
00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:47,950
because they had more brains than we did

764
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:52,430
to fly all that way and then it has

765
00:43:04,150 --> 00:42:57,520
evolved from that to a wide range of

766
00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:04,160
monsters of godlike beings and if you've

767
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:08,180
noticed the first ones had oxygen or

768
00:43:12,220 --> 00:43:10,490
whatever they would have I guess they

769
00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:12,230
wouldn't have oxygen to mass they would

770
00:43:18,580 --> 00:43:14,900
have whatever they're breathing on yeah

771
00:43:22,570 --> 00:43:18,590
right right but they're breathing our

772
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:22,580
atmosphere now and more and more we're

773
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:26,210
being told and I just got a very serious

774
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:30,710
a document the other day how I don't

775
00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:34,160
need to worry because the the Pleiades

776
00:43:38,770 --> 00:43:35,720
they're our turns

777
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:38,780
they are among us they've been slowly

778
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,250
infiltrating we they look like we new

779
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:45,200
and they're here to help us

780
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:48,230
they're here to our big brother or big

781
00:43:59,500 --> 00:43:54,590
sister and I I immediately repel at that

782
00:44:02,260 --> 00:43:59,510
because I think as a species throughout

783
00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:02,270
our history we've had enough Big

784
00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:05,630
Brothers Big Sisters making decisions

785
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,750
for us and telling us what to do I like

786
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,200
to see the species as it evolves

787
00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:14,560
becoming more self-confident more

788
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:17,540
self-reliant and I think we're on the

789
00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:20,290
road to that but then we have our

790
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:25,070
marvelous marvelous technology that came

791
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:27,110
upon the scene making all kinds of

792
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:30,460
promises and basically what's achieved

793
00:44:35,860 --> 00:44:34,250
is that our population doesn't read

794
00:44:42,490 --> 00:44:35,870
anymore

795
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:42,500
have a sense of entitlement and social

796
00:44:52,450 --> 00:44:48,380
media is is doing a marvelous job at

797
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:52,460
spreading rumors and division and hatred

798
00:45:01,710 --> 00:44:57,280
among us so I I question now this

799
00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:01,720
technology that came from you know back

800
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,070
back technology was some of the great

801
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:08,960
discoveries that were allegedly made

802
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:12,710
with crashes and so forth I think it's

803
00:45:17,770 --> 00:45:16,010
time both in our and I don't mean to get

804
00:45:20,830 --> 00:45:17,780
political now excuse me but I'm just

805
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:20,840
going to say I think it's time both in

806
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:24,410
our society and in our concept of the

807
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:29,450
universe of recognizing that we're

808
00:45:38,980 --> 00:45:33,370
pretty wonderful we're pretty marvelous

809
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:38,990
what have we evolved to become and we're

810
00:45:45,570 --> 00:45:42,230
still evolving and in fact one of the

811
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:45,580
things that scientists has discovered

812
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:50,240
you we take great credit for all the

813
00:45:57,970 --> 00:45:54,920
campaigns that smoking is falling off

814
00:46:01,930 --> 00:45:57,980
among many people and not nearly as many

815
00:46:04,570 --> 00:46:01,940
people smoke and now they have found and

816
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:04,580
I will remember the name of the gene but

817
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:08,810
there is a gene that is evolving in the

818
00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:12,950
people being born today that will not

819
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:16,670
desire tobacco and not desire smoking

820
00:46:22,660 --> 00:46:20,000
and this could now they project this

821
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:22,670
could involve this could involve in the

822
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:25,970
species rejecting fatty foods and you

823
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:29,530
know all the things that that make us

824
00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:32,330
not in the shape that we should be and

825
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:35,180
could be so we are still evolving

826
00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:38,510
if we give us a chance to not become

827
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:41,660
annihilated you know it's it's true you

828
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:44,510
know evolution takes such a long time

829
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:47,750
but you know smokey has been around for

830
00:46:51,219 --> 00:46:49,369
for a good while

831
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:51,229
I wonder if we'll evolve where we can

832
00:46:58,359 --> 00:46:53,089
hold a cell phone a smartphone better

833
00:47:00,819 --> 00:46:58,369
you know maybe some type of thing yeah

834
00:47:03,759 --> 00:47:00,829
right we're evolving where we won't need

835
00:47:06,789 --> 00:47:03,769
one you know our psychic powers will be

836
00:47:10,089 --> 00:47:06,799
so strong well of course that's a nice

837
00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:10,099
dream but we know that we have that

838
00:47:18,219 --> 00:47:14,420
power now it's just so few people if

839
00:47:21,609 --> 00:47:18,229
really anyone if anyone can control it

840
00:47:25,809 --> 00:47:21,619
100% of the time but we all have flashes

841
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:25,819
we all have things that happen to us

842
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:29,180
daily for many of us where we say you

843
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,369
know we we've reached out some on some

844
00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:34,400
level that we can't really explain and

845
00:47:41,849 --> 00:47:38,440
made communication with a dear one or

846
00:47:45,999 --> 00:47:41,859
you know an event that's going to happen

847
00:47:49,569 --> 00:47:46,009
happened that we foresaw so this but

848
00:47:52,089 --> 00:47:49,579
anyone then who claims at this moment in

849
00:47:55,089 --> 00:47:52,099
space and time that they can do this

850
00:47:58,089 --> 00:47:55,099
100% you know that's that's where we

851
00:48:01,299 --> 00:47:58,099
have the skeptics coming in and saying

852
00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:01,309
all parapsychology psychical research

853
00:48:07,479 --> 00:48:03,430
that's all baloney

854
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:07,489
and of course it's what makes us truly

855
00:48:15,339 --> 00:48:10,930
human is that level of spirituality that

856
00:48:18,130 --> 00:48:15,349
metaphysical level that we all attain we

857
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:18,140
can all attain and we do all the time

858
00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:21,890
from time to time and flashes hmm that's

859
00:48:27,099 --> 00:48:25,400
that's really great well back to the the

860
00:48:31,150 --> 00:48:27,109
spirit of Halloween I want to ask you

861
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:31,160
this question and that is what in all

862
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:33,700
your research and all the stories what's

863
00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:36,890
everyone has you know the painter has

864
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:38,660
his favorite painting do you have a

865
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:44,950
favorite story mm-hmm

866
00:48:51,969 --> 00:48:48,410
you mean a by experience that you have

867
00:48:55,989 --> 00:48:51,979
written all over it could have been more

868
00:48:58,690 --> 00:48:55,999
specific yes one that you research that

869
00:49:01,080 --> 00:48:58,700
just like blew you away that you could

870
00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:01,090
tell us about

871
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:03,620
well I told you about the one where I

872
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:07,730
had to revise my philosophy yeah of

873
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:16,730
course not that was very okay well what

874
00:49:22,690 --> 00:49:19,250
about there there are so many Martin I

875
00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:22,700
know they warned about that question

876
00:49:29,830 --> 00:49:26,060
ahead of time well I I don't know you

877
00:49:32,380 --> 00:49:29,840
know it's kind of like people ask me my

878
00:49:34,530 --> 00:49:32,390
favorite color and I don't think I have

879
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:34,540
a favorite color I just like the whole

880
00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:39,200
kaleidoscope of color but I think of a

881
00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:43,880
home and it just kind of I've seen this

882
00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:47,630
now a number of times so with the

883
00:49:55,740 --> 00:49:52,120
poltergeist mm-hmm now this was a

884
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,750
mansion I haven't gone to many mansions

885
00:50:01,380 --> 00:49:58,400
but this was an old timber barons

886
00:50:04,930 --> 00:50:01,390
mansion right on the Mississippi and

887
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,940
obviously some foul play had occurred

888
00:50:12,340 --> 00:50:07,760
there at one time and and the current

889
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:12,350
residents were seeing what appeared to

890
00:50:21,540 --> 00:50:18,370
be a murder that would psychically

891
00:50:26,770 --> 00:50:21,550
mystically whatever word you want to use

892
00:50:29,290 --> 00:50:26,780
appear on the word took place in the in

893
00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:29,300
the living room and they would see it

894
00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:31,900
from time to time and of course

895
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:35,900
obviously this would terrify them so we

896
00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:38,270
went to investigate and I told them you

897
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:41,630
know we've one thing you must do if you

898
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:45,290
have small children is please bring them

899
00:50:50,770 --> 00:50:46,700
to a friend bring them to a neighbor

900
00:50:55,150 --> 00:50:50,780
relative or whatever so hadn't been in

901
00:50:58,900 --> 00:50:55,160
the house long and I felt the necessity

902
00:51:01,540 --> 00:50:58,910
to visit the facilities and is directed

903
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:01,550
to them and as I was in there I hear

904
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:04,130
this little girl chanting and playing

905
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:06,890
and running up and down the hall and

906
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:10,130
laughing and I thought come on you know

907
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:14,210
I said we don't want any children in the

908
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:14,850
house

909
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:19,380
were investigating so I confronted the

910
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:21,570
mother and I said you know I did make

911
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:24,470
this request and she just turned pale

912
00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:28,410
and she says that's that's one of the

913
00:51:35,570 --> 00:51:31,470
ghosts that runs up and down the hall at

914
00:51:39,370 --> 00:51:35,580
night and then comes to my bedside tugs

915
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:39,380
on my pillow and says mommy mommy Wow

916
00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:47,400
Wow and then of course there was with

917
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:49,980
the mother going up to the attic

918
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:52,170
where we could hear thrashing and

919
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:56,850
bumping and and all kinds of noises that

920
00:52:04,550 --> 00:51:59,760
indicated someone or something was up in

921
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:04,560
the attic and she says I will go up

922
00:52:09,850 --> 00:52:08,400
there if you go with me and I said well

923
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:09,860
of course

924
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:13,650
so we pause down the stairs because I

925
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:17,400
can see she's getting cold feet and she

926
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:20,520
says you know I think I know who's up

927
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:24,480
there and I says you do and she says yes

928
00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:27,720
I think it's my father Wow your father

929
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:31,700
and in this house she says yes because

930
00:52:43,550 --> 00:52:37,850
in his coffin I could not give him I

931
00:52:46,850 --> 00:52:43,560
could not summon thee the courage or

932
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:46,860
they I just couldn't kiss him and I've

933
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:49,590
been I said and you felt guilty ever

934
00:52:57,980 --> 00:52:54,450
since and she said yes yes that's why I

935
00:53:02,320 --> 00:52:57,990
think it's my father I said well let's

936
00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:02,330
go see so we went up and it was just a

937
00:53:09,940 --> 00:53:07,350
cacophony of sounds in that attic the

938
00:53:15,380 --> 00:53:09,950
minute we opened the door everything

939
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:15,390
stops everything is quiet and I walk

940
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:19,770
back and forth and I feel you know like

941
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:22,920
but that can be you know I'm not immune

942
00:53:28,859 --> 00:53:26,400
to a little imagination or feeling

943
00:53:32,489 --> 00:53:28,869
myself but it it felt like there

944
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:32,499
just eyes all around watching us well

945
00:53:38,849 --> 00:53:35,890
then the teenage daughter comes home and

946
00:53:43,499 --> 00:53:38,859
she says all no are you going to get rid

947
00:53:46,410 --> 00:53:43,509
of that messy and then she had some

948
00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:46,420
expletive and I said what do you mean

949
00:53:53,489 --> 00:53:49,720
she says well I'd finally found a way to

950
00:53:56,759 --> 00:53:53,499
out with it says before I go to bed at

951
00:53:59,849 --> 00:53:56,769
night it is my custom to lay all the

952
00:54:02,700 --> 00:53:59,859
clothes and everything put all my books

953
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:02,710
in order so that when I get up I know

954
00:54:06,569 --> 00:54:05,170
exactly what I'm going to wear I've got

955
00:54:10,289 --> 00:54:06,579
my homework ready

956
00:54:13,470 --> 00:54:10,299
so she says what's been happening is I

957
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:13,480
get up in the morning my clothes have

958
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:16,930
been scattered all over to the room my

959
00:54:22,049 --> 00:54:19,569
homework has been scattered all over the

960
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:22,059
room and I have to pick everything up

961
00:54:27,749 --> 00:54:25,390
before I go to school and I said oh

962
00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:27,759
that's that would really get older I

963
00:54:35,099 --> 00:54:31,240
said what have you done to combat it

964
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:35,109
then and she laughed she says before I

965
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:38,650
go to bed at night I scatter my clothes

966
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,210
on the Rope I scat I scatter my homework

967
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:46,079
around the room and when I wake up

968
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:49,690
everything is a nice order for me to get

969
00:54:58,109 --> 00:54:54,640
dressed and go wow I've never forgotten

970
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:58,119
that then that was the house to where we

971
00:55:03,630 --> 00:55:01,359
saw definitely objects you know flying

972
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:03,640
toward us but they didn't where they hit

973
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,190
us but it doesn't hurt or at least it

974
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:08,079
didn't hurt us I wouldn't push it with

975
00:55:13,470 --> 00:55:10,450
other poltergeists but that was really a

976
00:55:18,269 --> 00:55:13,480
lively lively house Wow

977
00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:18,279
and but his new years ago because I had

978
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:21,220
written about this in a book I got a

979
00:55:29,849 --> 00:55:26,640
letter from a woman who said wow

980
00:55:32,279 --> 00:55:29,859
incredible reading she says I was the

981
00:55:40,289 --> 00:55:32,289
little girl that you wouldn't let in the

982
00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:40,299
house I was a little girl that had to go

983
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:43,270
to the neighbors why you were in vest

984
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:47,690
no I know it went on oh isn't that funny

985
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:51,680
Wow Wow yeah so what do you think of the

986
00:55:59,950 --> 00:55:56,000
all the shows on you know investigating

987
00:56:01,390 --> 00:55:59,960
ghosts do you think that any of them any

988
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:01,400
of the people that are doing that or

989
00:56:08,140 --> 00:56:06,410
like legitimately looking and really

990
00:56:12,010 --> 00:56:08,150
sincere or do you think it's mostly

991
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:12,020
theater oh boy

992
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:17,570
well I don't know if I'd even call that

993
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,890
theater so someone meant many people

994
00:56:30,010 --> 00:56:26,480
that said to me boy you know that's

995
00:56:34,090 --> 00:56:30,020
that's really when you started writing

996
00:56:37,870 --> 00:56:34,100
there was Hans Holzer rose Montgomery

997
00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:37,880
and you and maybe a couple others and

998
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:40,070
now of course look how popular the field

999
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:42,950
there's and I said it is remarkable

1000
00:56:49,470 --> 00:56:47,210
because going on a radio show when I

1001
00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:49,480
started Martin there wasn't a nice

1002
00:56:56,380 --> 00:56:53,300
wasn't always a nice Martin on the other

1003
00:56:59,470 --> 00:56:56,390
end it was someone who just before we

1004
00:57:02,770 --> 00:56:59,480
went on air said I'm just going to rip

1005
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:02,780
you to shreds that kind of that kind of

1006
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:05,810
you know friendly greeting so it was

1007
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:06,770
very different

1008
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:09,710
but they say now you know look at this

1009
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:12,530
and I said well hello but again how

1010
00:57:18,460 --> 00:57:15,530
accurate are these I mean yeah but one

1011
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:18,470
of the things I laugh at and I just read

1012
00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:21,980
an article by Alexander Holzer saying

1013
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:24,790
you know the various machines and they

1014
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:28,910
again the voice recording the electronic

1015
00:57:32,260 --> 00:57:30,110
voice phenomena

1016
00:57:36,370 --> 00:57:32,270
some of those that are sent to me you

1017
00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:36,380
know all I hear is babble or little too

1018
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:40,550
clear a little too and I was laughing

1019
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:44,030
with an investigator just the other day

1020
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:47,330
and he was asking me what what do you

1021
00:57:56,910 --> 00:57:51,130
think of those programs and I said I

1022
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:00,519
because that said you're bound to hear

1023
00:58:05,950 --> 00:58:03,049
in everyone so I think I just know

1024
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:05,960
something scratched me know this and I

1025
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:08,329
see something I know something touched

1026
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:12,799
my shoulder and it appears like like he

1027
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:16,160
said they he and his friends they just

1028
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:18,440
sit and laugh at it now I don't mean to

1029
00:58:24,099 --> 00:58:21,170
be cruel and these people I don't know

1030
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:24,109
how many are sincere I don't know I need

1031
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:29,210
them I get letters emails from people

1032
00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:35,630
one was a woman last year who said you

1033
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:37,910
know she says what can you do to get me

1034
00:58:43,170 --> 00:58:39,529
a TV show

1035
00:58:47,319 --> 00:58:43,180
she says I've been investigating for

1036
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:47,329
five years now and I feel I know enough

1037
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:51,170
to really do a good show on television

1038
00:58:58,900 --> 00:58:55,089
about ghosts and I said five years

1039
00:59:01,120 --> 00:58:58,910
mm-hmm no that that is a drop in the

1040
00:59:03,219 --> 00:59:01,130
bucket and I said what have you read

1041
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,229
what have you studied you know have you

1042
00:59:08,589 --> 00:59:06,079
read the volumes of some of the masters

1043
00:59:11,739 --> 00:59:08,599
from the British society of psychical

1044
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:11,749
research in the 1800s as you read you

1045
00:59:17,529 --> 00:59:15,049
know the Lions of our of our entire

1046
00:59:19,299 --> 00:59:17,539
fields who wrote and of course she

1047
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:19,309
didn't know any of that mercy didn't

1048
00:59:24,459 --> 00:59:21,890
know but she thought she knew enough to

1049
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:24,469
have her own television show

1050
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:28,700
Wow well now it's it's very similar to

1051
00:59:34,809 --> 00:59:31,880
UFOs it's fleeting and you know when you

1052
00:59:36,969 --> 00:59:34,819
watch any of these shows they go in

1053
00:59:39,789 --> 00:59:36,979
there you know one night and you know

1054
00:59:42,819 --> 00:59:39,799
expect something to happen right you

1055
00:59:44,739 --> 00:59:42,829
know and I think you know it's I really

1056
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:44,749
I can't even remember the last time I

1057
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:48,049
watched one of them but no an organized

1058
00:59:56,979 --> 00:59:51,650
yeah what do you think that what do you

1059
01:00:01,089 --> 00:59:56,989
think the most haunted country is boy

1060
01:00:04,690 --> 01:00:01,099
that's a good question off the top of

1061
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,700
one's head what would you say you say

1062
01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:07,280
England yeah that's what I would think

1063
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:13,230
I think it's because with the British

1064
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:15,270
society elected to research they began

1065
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:21,210
taking the field seriously but people

1066
01:00:27,319 --> 01:00:24,089
have always on their level the folk

1067
01:00:30,290 --> 01:00:27,329
level at any rate taken ghosts spirits

1068
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:30,300
so forth seriously but they actually

1069
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:35,089
studied and made it if not respectable

1070
01:00:43,790 --> 01:00:40,980
at least not laughable if you expressed

1071
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:43,800
an interest in studying it now you can't

1072
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:46,710
prevent everyone from being skeptical or

1073
01:00:59,660 --> 01:00:51,660
laughing at you by any means but I don't

1074
01:01:03,880 --> 01:00:59,670
know I just just wrote a blurb sherry

1075
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:03,890
and I for our dear friend Brian Allen

1076
01:01:11,780 --> 01:01:08,520
who is a British psychical researcher

1077
01:01:14,839 --> 01:01:11,790
he's the editor of phenomena magazine oh

1078
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:14,849
I hope I hope you've seen that it's

1079
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:15,510
excellent

1080
01:01:25,690 --> 01:01:19,920
yes and he's written a book that he

1081
01:01:30,290 --> 01:01:25,700
feels will prove survival after death

1082
01:01:35,809 --> 01:01:30,300
he's conducted an exhaustive series of

1083
01:01:39,550 --> 01:01:35,819
experiments with someone he kind of

1084
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:39,560
mutually discovered who seemed to have

1085
01:01:45,140 --> 01:01:41,730
extraordinary ability mediumistic

1086
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:45,150
abilities now whatever you think you

1087
01:01:53,050 --> 01:01:49,200
know of mediums they you have to say

1088
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:53,060
that there is varying degrees of ability

1089
01:02:03,079 --> 01:01:58,020
some are astonishing some are obviously

1090
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:03,089
cold readers and cold reading is kind of

1091
01:02:08,839 --> 01:02:04,980
you know if you have a flair for the

1092
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:08,849
dramatic and so forth because a couple

1093
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:10,740
of times you know when someone has said

1094
01:02:16,690 --> 01:02:13,650
all that was such a brilliant oh I know

1095
01:02:19,790 --> 01:02:16,700
that will help me solve my love life and

1096
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:19,800
and I said well why aren't you can I

1097
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:20,970
give you a reading

1098
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:24,480
and just a cold reading you know and

1099
01:02:30,410 --> 01:02:26,730
that's even more amazing than the

1100
01:02:33,290 --> 01:02:30,420
psychic who charged me $50 because once

1101
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:33,300
you learn you know the patter that is

1102
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:35,490
used by some professionals but I'm

1103
01:02:40,819 --> 01:02:37,890
talking about those who have been who

1104
01:02:45,710 --> 01:02:40,829
are really sincere who are you know like

1105
01:02:48,859 --> 01:02:45,720
I did so much work with Irene Hughes and

1106
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:48,869
see what was brilliant I mean it was

1107
01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:52,619
just phenomenal the things that that she

1108
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:54,990
would pick up and that she would be able

1109
01:03:00,140 --> 01:02:58,020
to converse and so forth and there are a

1110
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:00,150
number then that I had the pleasure with

1111
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:04,770
of working before they went to the big

1112
01:03:16,339 --> 01:03:10,140
seance room in the sky but when you work

1113
01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:16,349
with that kind of intelligence the whole

1114
01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:21,000
idea of of respecting as Brian Allen has

1115
01:03:28,849 --> 01:03:26,460
done now he and another well scientists

1116
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:28,859
and then Brian who is certainly

1117
01:03:37,819 --> 01:03:33,440
experienced years and years of research

1118
01:03:39,859 --> 01:03:37,829
and and I just saw you know a sampling

1119
01:03:42,140 --> 01:03:39,869
of his book various chapters and so

1120
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:42,150
forth because it was going to press and

1121
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:43,650
they needed something from us soon

1122
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:46,920
enough to get the idea of the book and

1123
01:03:55,550 --> 01:03:51,390
it looks really astonishing so again

1124
01:03:57,740 --> 01:03:55,560
that's that's England and Nick Nick

1125
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:57,750
tells me Nick Redfern tells me all these

1126
01:04:02,510 --> 01:03:59,940
stories about England and all the girls

1127
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:02,520
and and in our movies the movies that

1128
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:06,480
we've seen and and the you know both

1129
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,040
both the ghost films and the the monster

1130
01:04:18,740 --> 01:04:13,920
films from England they're superbly done

1131
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:18,750
I mean they when the actor there says my

1132
01:04:24,479 --> 01:04:21,810
god I think this vampire you you really

1133
01:04:27,420 --> 01:04:24,489
think maybe it is

1134
01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:27,430
that is their whole training they go

1135
01:04:36,269 --> 01:04:32,140
through and the whole attitude I know

1136
01:04:38,779 --> 01:04:36,279
the acceptance in ghosts acceptance of

1137
01:04:43,289 --> 01:04:38,789
the belief in reality of ghosts

1138
01:04:46,769 --> 01:04:43,299
this is equally high I the figures I see

1139
01:04:50,339 --> 01:04:46,779
or nearly as high than the United States

1140
01:04:55,489 --> 01:04:50,349
and getting higher all the time so I

1141
01:05:03,449 --> 01:05:00,269
yeah there's a greater acceptance I see

1142
01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:03,459
what you're saying yeah I I quoted a

1143
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:07,209
couple academic studies where I found

1144
01:05:14,699 --> 01:05:09,849
this very interesting and I hope Tommy

1145
01:05:18,569 --> 01:05:14,709
remember it correctly is that when you

1146
01:05:20,809 --> 01:05:18,579
come to college the skepticism and so

1147
01:05:23,749 --> 01:05:20,819
forth of the I do believe it goes

1148
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:23,759
interesting by the time they graduate

1149
01:05:33,150 --> 01:05:27,609
there's a greater acceptance in ghosts

1150
01:05:35,429 --> 01:05:33,160
UFOs now again some of our skeptics who

1151
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:35,439
say that makes no sense that should be

1152
01:05:41,009 --> 01:05:38,170
in the reverse become us college kids

1153
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:41,019
and their freshman and their that's when

1154
01:05:46,349 --> 01:05:42,729
they should be saying oh yeah I believe

1155
01:05:50,189 --> 01:05:46,359
in that but it's it's the reverse Barton

1156
01:05:52,289 --> 01:05:50,199
Wow and you stop and think and I'm sure

1157
01:05:56,249 --> 01:05:52,299
you can think of some reasons why as I

1158
01:05:59,160 --> 01:05:56,259
can if you're getting a good art college

1159
01:06:02,549 --> 01:05:59,170
education which is just as much up to

1160
01:06:05,429 --> 01:06:02,559
you as the college you've learned to

1161
01:06:08,609 --> 01:06:05,439
have more of an open mind you've learned

1162
01:06:12,179 --> 01:06:08,619
to not reject things out of hand

1163
01:06:14,669 --> 01:06:12,189
so I found that very interesting at an

1164
01:06:18,209 --> 01:06:14,679
academic couple academics that they said

1165
01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:18,219
demonstrated that wow that is so I don't

1166
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:19,630
know but then you think of do you think

1167
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:22,209
of Germany you think of Holland you

1168
01:06:32,609 --> 01:06:27,729
think of Scandinavia in fact among the

1169
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:32,619
royal family in Norway now the big thing

1170
01:06:40,980 --> 01:06:36,910
is ghost hunting I quoted that was

1171
01:06:43,590 --> 01:06:40,990
the New York Times and I quoted it in in

1172
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:43,600
the the new book of becoming us in the

1173
01:06:51,090 --> 01:06:47,890
summer that's that's their hobby now

1174
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:51,100
once again just as is happening in

1175
01:06:58,110 --> 01:06:53,440
Scandinavia is happening in the United

1176
01:07:07,020 --> 01:06:58,120
States belief in traditional church

1177
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:07,030
dogma is falling but belief in a greater

1178
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:12,250
power in the universe a power that we

1179
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:16,050
can reach out to and touch and receive

1180
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:22,090
inspiration direction healing is growing

1181
01:07:32,220 --> 01:07:27,210
is growing so it's kind of a true

1182
01:07:36,330 --> 01:07:32,230
expression of spirituality but the dogma

1183
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:36,340
and sitting in the pews and hearing

1184
01:07:42,270 --> 01:07:39,610
someone tell you what to believe I know

1185
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:42,280
you've seen the figures - I assume you

1186
01:07:51,060 --> 01:07:46,270
have organized religion is is the going

1187
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:51,070
way down the numbers but spirituality is

1188
01:08:00,420 --> 01:07:57,010
going higher and higher mm-hmm yeah well

1189
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:00,430
this has been fantastic and I am really

1190
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:03,610
really interested in reading your book

1191
01:08:09,570 --> 01:08:06,730
once you get it published on what you

1192
01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:09,580
think ghosts really are that's to meet I

1193
01:08:15,210 --> 01:08:11,950
find that fascinating and you say that

1194
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:15,220
would be in July perhaps right and it's

1195
01:08:21,450 --> 01:08:16,330
not just me

1196
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:21,460
I've asked just a whole academy-award

1197
01:08:27,750 --> 01:08:24,850
list of researchers of researchers my

1198
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:27,760
friends and colleagues you know that

1199
01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:29,710
we've been in the trenches for so long

1200
01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:33,070
I'm asking a great group of them to have

1201
01:08:38,790 --> 01:08:35,590
their opinions as well so I think it's

1202
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:38,800
it's for someone who's really serious

1203
01:08:44,460 --> 01:08:41,890
about exploring the unknown and the

1204
01:08:46,650 --> 01:08:44,470
particularly survival and ghosts I think

1205
01:08:49,650 --> 01:08:46,660
it's going to really be a treasure for

1206
01:08:50,459 --> 01:08:49,660
them excellent well I may connect you to

1207
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,469
my

1208
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:52,960
and Paul II know that has thoughts on

1209
01:08:59,309 --> 01:08:56,409
that as well if that's a Paul is in the

1210
01:09:02,269 --> 01:08:59,319
book Paul in the book about that I

1211
01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:06,299
how about that it's the small world

1212
01:09:12,809 --> 01:09:10,900
after all all right well thanks so much

1213
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:12,819
Brad it's been a real pleasure I really

1214
01:09:17,579 --> 01:09:14,409
really enjoyed it and I hope to have you

1215
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:17,589
back on someday well let's do it

1216
01:09:23,459 --> 01:09:20,650
and and both of us take about now that

1217
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:23,469
it won't take two years that's right all

1218
01:09:28,499 --> 01:09:26,319
right and my best I'll Cherie thank you

1219
01:09:31,589 --> 01:09:28,509
all right I'll relay that all right you

1220
01:09:33,059 --> 01:09:31,599
take care you take care as well all

1221
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:33,069
right good night good night

1222
01:09:38,669 --> 01:09:35,199
all right everyone so that's it for the

1223
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:38,679
show thanks so much for for stopping in

1224
01:09:43,589 --> 01:09:42,130
and yes as I said earlier I'm not really

1225
01:09:46,919 --> 01:09:43,599
paying attention to chat

1226
01:09:50,069 --> 01:09:46,929
it's just I've noticed that I just do a

1227
01:09:51,809 --> 01:09:50,079
little better interaction and so if you

1228
01:09:53,519 --> 01:09:51,819
do have questions I'll be taking

1229
01:09:56,370 --> 01:09:53,529
questions toward the end of every show

1230
01:09:59,489 --> 01:09:56,380
and that includes the podcast UFO show

1231
01:10:00,689 --> 01:09:59,499
that I'll be back here in studio four on

1232
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:00,699
Wednesday

1233
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:03,610
all right thanks so much and we'll be

1234
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:06,489
back for the everything else show in two

1235
01:10:12,540 --> 01:10:08,710
weeks with JW ocker